Comments on: The problem with Wilco, and the goodness too http://www.indiepaws.net/archives/the-problem-with-wilco-and-the-goodness-too Play. Listen. Repeat. Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:22:07 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: Tyroc http://www.indiepaws.net/archives/the-problem-with-wilco-and-the-goodness-too/comment-page-1#comment-2155 Tyroc Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:52:25 +0000 http://www.indiepaws.net/?p=946#comment-2155 I think Being There has moments that certainly rock. (Misunderstood, Red Eyed and Blue, and I Got You among others.) And if it bugs you that you feel there's only enough good material for one album, just burn a copy with the songs you like! AM certainly has some weak spots (lots) but Box Full of Letters, Casino Queen, and Passenger Side are pretty damn great and hold up well. I think Being There has moments that certainly rock. (Misunderstood, Red Eyed and Blue, and I Got You among others.) And if it bugs you that you feel there’s only enough good material for one album, just burn a copy with the songs you like!

AM certainly has some weak spots (lots) but Box Full of Letters, Casino Queen, and Passenger Side are pretty damn great and hold up well.

]]> By: Flint http://www.indiepaws.net/archives/the-problem-with-wilco-and-the-goodness-too/comment-page-1#comment-2017 Flint Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:46:19 +0000 http://www.indiepaws.net/?p=946#comment-2017 Haha, don't worry, you didn't sound hostile at all - in fact I was worried my tl;dr comment seemed aggressive! I'll definitely keep an eye out on Kicking Television if I ever see it cheap, I've heard so much about it that I really need to give it a check at some point. I'm just the sort of person who in general values the studio environment more thanks to the added emphasis on musical details and generally the possibilities of the environment, so I rarely put any sort of emphasis on the live forms of artists when judging them. Thanks for the kind comments, I/we genuinely appreciate them :). Haha, don’t worry, you didn’t sound hostile at all – in fact I was worried my tl;dr comment seemed aggressive! I’ll definitely keep an eye out on Kicking Television if I ever see it cheap, I’ve heard so much about it that I really need to give it a check at some point. I’m just the sort of person who in general values the studio environment more thanks to the added emphasis on musical details and generally the possibilities of the environment, so I rarely put any sort of emphasis on the live forms of artists when judging them.

Thanks for the kind comments, I/we genuinely appreciate them :).

]]> By: glenn gatzke http://www.indiepaws.net/archives/the-problem-with-wilco-and-the-goodness-too/comment-page-1#comment-2012 glenn gatzke Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:14:35 +0000 http://www.indiepaws.net/?p=946#comment-2012 Hooray! I replied honestly to something without being percieved as hostile! I just gained a lot of respect for you as far as that goes... Anyway, BUY kicking television, i gaurantee that even if you usually only judge a band on studio engineering, it will change your mind about at least a couple of Wilco tunes. "Misunderstood" which is one of Tweedy's favorite tunes to play live, glows here, as does a guitar solo on Ashes of American Flags, a song that made no impression on me on YHF in the beginning but is now one of my favorites all around. I mean, no one judges Phish on their studio albums, as their live performances are what they DO ( I am not a huge fan of them, just an example), but Wilco too is a band that has made its living on the road, not through record sales. Thank you again for being civil about my possibly harsh sounding first comment, and not shutting down as soon as you saw negativity. You are the kind of person that actually deserves their own space on the internet! I like what you're doing, keep it up. -Glenn Hooray! I replied honestly to something without being percieved as hostile! I just gained a lot of respect for you as far as that goes… Anyway, BUY kicking television, i gaurantee that even if you usually only judge a band on studio engineering, it will change your mind about at least a couple of Wilco tunes. “Misunderstood” which is one of Tweedy’s favorite tunes to play live, glows here, as does a guitar solo on Ashes of American Flags, a song that made no impression on me on YHF in the beginning but is now one of my favorites all around. I mean, no one judges Phish on their studio albums, as their live performances are what they DO ( I am not a huge fan of them, just an example), but Wilco too is a band that has made its living on the road, not through record sales. Thank you again for being civil about my possibly harsh sounding first comment, and not shutting down as soon as you saw negativity. You are the kind of person that actually deserves their own space on the internet! I like what you’re doing, keep it up.

-Glenn

]]> By: Kaoru http://www.indiepaws.net/archives/the-problem-with-wilco-and-the-goodness-too/comment-page-1#comment-2011 Kaoru Wed, 11 Mar 2009 11:37:27 +0000 http://www.indiepaws.net/?p=946#comment-2011 Before "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" Wilco were one of those "also ran"-bands... and if it wasn't for the history behind that album it still would have stayed this way, because... honestly... it absolutely wouldn't have gained its status based on the music alone. I mean, it's anything but bad and really NICE... but nothing which sounds too much different from what Pavement recorded ten years earlier... when this kind of music was still called "alternative" instead of "indie". *lol* I guess people get a bit carried away with "Foxtrot" mainly out of ideologic reasons. Anyway, the only song I [i]really[/i] keep coming back for is "Spiders (Kidsmoke)", but apart from that I feel fairly indifferent towards that band. Before “Yankee Hotel Foxtrot” Wilco were one of those “also ran”-bands… and if it wasn’t for the history behind that album it still would have stayed this way, because… honestly… it absolutely wouldn’t have gained its status based on the music alone. I mean, it’s anything but bad and really NICE… but nothing which sounds too much different from what Pavement recorded ten years earlier… when this kind of music was still called “alternative” instead of “indie”. *lol* I guess people get a bit carried away with “Foxtrot” mainly out of ideologic reasons.

Anyway, the only song I [i]really[/i] keep coming back for is “Spiders (Kidsmoke)”, but apart from that I feel fairly indifferent towards that band.

]]> By: Flint http://www.indiepaws.net/archives/the-problem-with-wilco-and-the-goodness-too/comment-page-1#comment-2010 Flint Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:51:50 +0000 http://www.indiepaws.net/?p=946#comment-2010 What I meant by lacking one album was that I lacked it physically - I only own Sky Blue Sky in a digital format at the moment but I want to get it on CD too as I do love my physical formats. The last.fm thing isn't much to do with boasting, I just used it to illustrate that Wilco has clearly managed to grab a rather big chunk of my music listening if they can make that (relatively) high on my constantly updating charts. I tend to listen to all my music on computer these days, be it via CD or not (mainly thanks to some changes in my life circumstances leading me to lack an actual sound system), so everything I listen to gets scrobbled. I mainly just wanted to give some sort of a concrete image with the Lfm comment this time rather than dwell with unclear, abstract images. I've been thinking about getting Kicking Television at some point, but live music has never really meant as much to me as studio albums have and at the end of the day, it's the studio albums that I judge a band by, not their live condition. I doubt I'd change my opinion about their more rocking songs always being somewhat limp and weak on albums if I'd listen to the improved live versions - after all, I can't replace the album version with them on the albums. Thanks for replying! It's very much appreciated. What I meant by lacking one album was that I lacked it physically – I only own Sky Blue Sky in a digital format at the moment but I want to get it on CD too as I do love my physical formats.

The last.fm thing isn’t much to do with boasting, I just used it to illustrate that Wilco has clearly managed to grab a rather big chunk of my music listening if they can make that (relatively) high on my constantly updating charts. I tend to listen to all my music on computer these days, be it via CD or not (mainly thanks to some changes in my life circumstances leading me to lack an actual sound system), so everything I listen to gets scrobbled. I mainly just wanted to give some sort of a concrete image with the Lfm comment this time rather than dwell with unclear, abstract images.

I’ve been thinking about getting Kicking Television at some point, but live music has never really meant as much to me as studio albums have and at the end of the day, it’s the studio albums that I judge a band by, not their live condition. I doubt I’d change my opinion about their more rocking songs always being somewhat limp and weak on albums if I’d listen to the improved live versions – after all, I can’t replace the album version with them on the albums.

Thanks for replying! It’s very much appreciated.

]]> By: glenn gatzke http://www.indiepaws.net/archives/the-problem-with-wilco-and-the-goodness-too/comment-page-1#comment-2006 glenn gatzke Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:09:58 +0000 http://www.indiepaws.net/?p=946#comment-2006 i would really suggest getting that other record that you say you don't have. some of the things you've said here are true, but without your owning their full catalog, i have trouble understanding your assessment that they "can't rock". Listen to Kicking Television. see them live. I'm not sure boasting their status on your Last.FM account has as much of an impact as you apparently think either. Really dwell with wilco and you will find there's much more to them than the accessibly pop-y hook of Jesus Etc. and by all means, go see them live! i would really suggest getting that other record that you say you don’t have. some of the things you’ve said here are true, but without your owning their full catalog, i have trouble understanding your assessment that they “can’t rock”. Listen to Kicking Television. see them live. I’m not sure boasting their status on your Last.FM account has as much of an impact as you apparently think either. Really dwell with wilco and you will find there’s much more to them than the accessibly pop-y hook of Jesus Etc. and by all means, go see them live!

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